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and now who will refund the customers? do we should send a mail for United States Global Illicit Financial Team?

Lr was used in Forex world,which is not a criminal activity,so someone need to refund this customers.
 
I'm sticking to Paypal only after AlertPay/Payza screwed up with my balance.

Yeah, I know there are some horrible Paypal stories around but at the moment it's still the biggest and most used payment processor around.
 
If nobody get refund,than i must say the us government is bigger criminal than Lr owner.

I hate this world ,i must find a way to go on other planet....or someone need to destroy the usa completely.
 
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This is not that simple.The money seized by us government is not the criminals money,the money comes from his customers.On that way,every legal business can destroyed by government.
This criminals all assets are frozen (seized) by usa government,so he is not in situation to refund anyone,because now all the money comes to usa government.There was hundreds of customers ,who use lr for legal business (forex,paymentgetaway on legal websites etc) Now they are all scammed by usa government and not by LR owner.
If you think, this is ok.Than i think you should start thinking....

The us goverment should also seize paypals money and the domain,because someone doing illegeal business useing their platform.For example some filesharing sites do.
another example:
someone do fraud in your local bank,and the government arrest the ceo of the bank and seize all the money of this bank.Is this ok for you?

I do not have a lr account,but i can not watch the injustice
Where are the customers in this story?
 
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The US Government seized the domain and arrested the owner on charges of fraud. This isn't something new, he's been involved in fraud previously. If the people are stupid enough to trust a man who was convicted of fraud previously with their money, it's no one's fault but the people. The government simply acted to stop this widespread fraud. Libertyreserve was an attractive option to all sorts of fraudsters, black market dealers, HYIP scammers, etc. A majority of their customer base was involved in illegal/illicit financial transactions (all the spam bots posting here in the past selling credit cards mentioned accepting LR).

Sorry, but it's not the government's fault. I don't condone them barging in on businesses, but this is one act I most definitely support. Your fault for choosing to align with a known criminal. You don't get to cry foul if you did not do anything to bring the owner to justice sooner and instead placed your funds under his custody. No one deserves a refund. Everyone who has been 'scammed' in this seizure has only himself to blame.

Going by your example - if you know that the CEO of a bank is a known past criminal and the bank is regularly used by thieves, robbers, extortionists, etc then it's your own goddamn fault for having an account and funds in that bank. And if the authorities seize every last bit of it, you don't deserve a dime back.
 
The operators of a global currency exchange ran a $6 billion money-laundering operation online, a central hub for criminals trafficking in everything from stolen identities to child pornography, federal prosecutors in New York said on Tuesday.The currency exchange, Liberty Reserve, operated beyond the traditional confines of United States and international banking regulations in what prosecutors called a shadowy netherworld of cyberfinance. It traded in virtual currency and provided the kind of anonymous and easily accessible banking infrastructure increasingly sought by criminal networks, law enforcement officials said.

The charges announced at a news conference by Preet Bharara, the United States attorney in Manhattan, and other law enforcement officials, mark what officials said was believed to be the largest online money-laundering case in history. Over seven years, Liberty Reserve was responsible for laundering billions of dollars, conducting 55 million transactions that involved millions of customers around the world, including about 200,000 in the United States, according to prosecutors.

Richard Weber, who heads the Internal Revenue Service’s criminal investigation division in Washington, said at the news conference that the case heralds the arrival of “the cyber age of money laundering,” in which criminals “are gravitating toward digital currency alternatives as a means to move, conceal and enjoy their ill-gotten gains.”

“If Al Capone were alive today, this is how he would be hiding his money,” Mr. Weber said. “Our efforts today shatter the belief among high-tech money launderers that what happens in cyberspace stays in cyberspace.”

Just as PayPal revolutionized how people shop online, making it possible to buy a microwave oven or concert tickets with the click of a button, Liberty Reserve sought to create a similarly convenient way for criminals to make financial transactions, law enforcement officials said.

The charges detailed a complicated system designed to allow people to move sums large and small around the world with virtual anonymity, according to an indictment, which was unsealed in federal court in Manhattan.

“As alleged, the only liberty that Liberty Reserve gave many of its users was the freedom to commit crimes — the coin of its realm was anonymity, and it became a popular hub for fraudsters, hackers and traffickers,” Mr. Bharara said at the news conference, where officials from the Justice and Treasury Departments, as well as the Secret Service and Homeland Security Investigations, also spoke. “The global enforcement action we announce today is an important step toward reining in the ‘Wild West’ of illicit Internet banking. As crime goes increasingly global, the long arm of the law has to get even longer, and in this case, it encircled the earth.”

Liberty Reserve surfaced as a preferred vehicle to transfer money between parties in a number of recent high-profile cybercrimes, including the indictment of eight New Yorkers accused of helping to loot $45 million from bank machines in 27 countries, officials said.

Liberty Reserve was incorporated in Costa Rica in 2006 by Arthur Budovsky, who renounced his United States citizenship in 2011, and was arrested in Spain on Friday. He was among seven people charged in the case; five of them were under arrest, while two remained at large in Costa Rica. All were charged with conspiracy to commit money laundering, conspiracy to operate an unlicensed money-transmitting business, and operating an unlicensed money-transmitting business. The money laundering count carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison, and the other two charges carry a maximum of 5 years each.

In addition to the criminal charges, five domain names were seized, including the one used by Liberty Reserve. Officials also seized or restricted the activity of 45 bank accounts.

The closing of Liberty Reserve last week seemed to have an immediate chilling effect on its customers, who were suddenly unable to access their funds and who posted anxious comments in underground forums, according to law enforcement officials. Mr. Bharara said the exchange’s clientele was largely made up of criminals, but he invited any legitimate users to contact his office to get their money back.

The charges outlined how the money transfer system operated, offering a glimpse into the murky world of online financial transactions where money bounces between accounts from Cyprus to New York in the blink of an eye.

To transfer money using Liberty Reserve, a user needed only to provide a name, address and date of birth. But users were not required to validate their identity.

“Accounts could therefore be opened easily using fictitious or anonymous identities,” the indictment states. Prosecutors cited “blatantly criminal monikers” used by Liberty Reserve clients, like “Russia Hackers.”

Essentially, all a customer needed to open an account was an e-mail address.

One undercover agent was able to register accounts under names like “Joe Bogus” and describe the purpose of the account as “for cocaine” without being questioned, officials said. That no-questions-asked verification system made Liberty Reserve the premier bank for cybercriminals, prosecutors said.

The case is significant, prosecutors said, because it attacks the financial infrastructure used by many cybercriminals in much the same way that drug-money-laundering prosecutions unravel the financial underpinnings of the narcotics trade.

Dismantling the Liberty Reserve operation was “critical because transnational criminal organizations can succeed only so long as they can funnel their illicit proceeds freely and without detection,” said James T. Hayes Jr., the special-agent-in-charge for Immigration and Customs Enforcement Homeland Security Investigations.

While Liberty Reserve was incorporated outside the United States, federal officials used a provision in the Patriot Act to target the organization and other financial institutions with whom they conducted business. It was the first time the provision had been used to prosecute a virtual currency provider, officials said.

Liberty Reserve did not take or make cash payments directly and instead used “third-party ‘exchangers,’ ” according to the indictment. These exchangers would take and make payments, and then credit or debit the Liberty Reserve account, allowing Liberty Reserve to avoid collecting any banking information on its clients and not leave a “centralized financial paper trail,” the indictment said.

The exchangers, the indictment said, “tended to be unlicensed money-transmitting businesses without significant government oversight or regulation, concentrated in Malaysia, Russia, Nigeria and Vietnam.”

The people who accepted Liberty Reserve’s currency were “overwhelmingly criminal in nature,” according to the indictment.

“They included, for example: traffickers of stolen credit card data and personal identity information; peddlers of various types of online Ponzi and get-rich-quick schemes; computer hackers for hire; unregulated gambling enterprises; and underground drug-dealing Web sites,” according to the indictment.

Despite the case against Liberty Reserve, security experts said, there were plenty of online payment systems that allow users to move money without verifying their identities.

“Organized crime and terrorist groups are now financing their operations through these anonymous payment systems,” said Tom Kellermann, a vice president at Trend Micro, a security firm. “The financial sector no longer has a monopoly on moving capital around the world.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/n...-of-money-laundering.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
Payza is owned by a UK based company,and has a license to operate in the United States. They are designed as rival to paypal not as a digital currency.

Liberty Reserve is a totally different company then payza.
 
The reason Liberty Reserve was even made was to help others like the criminal to move money.

The owner did it for his own bank account. Since it was a digital currency you never knew if they spent your money or not, there was people with half a million and never even thought withdrawing it out.

This is the reason for the money laundering case because they were doing it to "steal your money" and is the reason you will never receive your money again. The united states is not going to cover the left over money missing.
 
Payza is owned by a UK based company,and has a license to operate in the United States. They are designed as rival to paypal not as a digital currency.

Liberty Reserve is a totally different company then payza.
Just saying mate. Being a registered company doesn't stop itself from managing illegal activities.
 
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@Froomple, You got a point. After Payza moved to UK, many restrictions and changes were introduced and more pressure on end users. Now days if you try to upload funds to Payza using wire transfer you have to pay a huge fee in the name of EUR to USD FX.
 
That's why we need Egopay here. I guess Payza, Okpay and other thought about already so they already build a backup Plan for own. After 20th Jun Payza users using their accounts for Web hosters, Web designers, Pornsite owners and those guys receiving money from File Sharing sites will compromised. SO everyone uploaded the money at EGOPAY.
I guess all the changers of LR already moved their money too. But who does't don't worry - you get your LR back by end of June. :)
 
What are you talking about with june 20th and payza? I havn't heard anything about them closing accounts of people using it for web hosts or or web design or any other thing.
 
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