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Devilz said:

WJ Staff Seems Quite on this topic as if they do apply this Rule most of Hosting Thread will be CLOSED/DELETED/"Marked as Probationary Host" which will affect on there Earning & Traffic.This webmaster forum is now only running on Sponsors which are MOSTLY Unregistered Companies,unknown & n00bs Administrators.

Hope you guys got the point !!

There are only few Hosting Companies on WJ which can be counted on fingers.If they want...they can do apply this rule with in 24 hour.
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What do you expect the mods/admins to do?

Check the local registration of every hosting company? Suppose a company is registered in India, do you expect them to call and ask whether it's legit or not. Fake registration screenshots can be made in 5 minutes, so those cannot be trusted as well. It would be good, if you would provide some valuable suggestions rather than just talking shit about staff.

@EnCiPh3r Totally agree with you. It's the responsibily of the person purchasing to ensure what he purchased is legit or not. And if he is really that stupid to pay yearly for his hosting. Then :facepalm:
 
@carbon,
Thanks for showing your n00b-ness
All Indian Registered Companies can be checked via "Ministry of Corporate affairs" Site.
UK Based Registered Companies can be checked via : companieshouse.gov.uk


NO NEED TO ASK FAKE SCREENSHOTS/CERTIFICATES , just want to ask there registration number.
 
Devilz said:
@carbon,
Thanks for showing your n00b-ness
All Indian Registered Companies can be checked via "Ministry of Corporate affairs" Site.
UK Based Registered Companies can be checked via : companieshouse.gov.uk


NO NEED TO ASK FAKE SCREENSHOTS/CERTIFICATES , just want to ask there registration number.
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:O

But can illegal hosting companies register themselves with the authorities. I mean, don't the perform any kind of checks or so.
 
I like having many choices of Web hosts to choose from. If you restrict newcomers, then all the current "Quality web hosts" will have no longer have any incentive to keep up their good service now would they?

People should stop looking for cheap $1-2 shared web hosting. If you use these services you shouldn't be crying about downtime because its obvious its oversold and packed with clients like sardines in a can.
 
Personally I feel,
Lot of threads have been opened in the past and lot of things have been discussed but no luck.
Conclusion: There are no Proper Plans that can provide you a Guarantee that Hosts Wont scam.

Asking a company for its Registration number wont guarantee that it wont scam and
if it scams, you are not so powerful to file a lawsuit against it.
 
.:KnowinGlenn:. said:
Personally I feel,
Lot of threads have been opened in the past and lot of things have been discussed but no luck.
Conclusion: There are no Proper Plans that can provide you a Guarantee that Hosts Wont scam.

Asking a company for its Registration number wont guarantee that it wont scam and
if it scams, you are not so powerful to file a lawsuit against it.
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Regardless of if there is or isnt anything you can do its all these $2 VPS hosts that are the issue. 100% oversold systems that they own? no they rent and make $5 profit from. such a shame.
 
When a client buys a server by seeing the cleaned out threads with ONLY good reviews and sees that the service is crap after buying it, the only thing they get from the host is, 'You didn't read our TOs and policy, we don't refund' and this and that.
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I 100% agree...i bought a VPS hosting from a hosting provider,found on WJ....but they could not restore my site fully in 9 days....when i wanted refund,they said to see TOS where refund is not possible.

They can't provide betterservice,also they don't agree it's their fault. This hosting providers must be avoided.
 
@phar_masud , if you dont know how to migrate your site to vps. then you should buy managed vps hosting. most vps offers around here on WJ is unmanaged deals. but they do help, if they have time and mind.
 
I believe hosting provider shouldn't be allowed to advertised if they don't have the following listed on there website such as the following below.

DMCA Policy ( Optional)
Privacy Policy.
Contact Information.

Refund Policy . - Must offer a refund if a clients purchase a services from that provider then the provider tells him/her they don't offer refunds for that services. But a client didn't know that cause it wasn't stated in there Refund Policy or Terms Of Services. ( I myself have find alot of hosting providers doing this)

Terms Of Services . - Can't state in terms of services a client will be blacklisted if they open up a dispute with the payment processor.

Bad Example of a TOS Text taken from Mxzon Hosting
If the client tried to charge-back from the payment processor, he/she will be blacklisted and Mxzon will not provide him/her any king of services and the funds would be seized by Mxzon.
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n00b Hosters can do ARRANGE Cheap Hosting [what you say 1-2$ Hosting..] but they are inexperienced,immatured & just money minded ... No one knows even your neighborhood kid is arranging Hosting for you.

Company registration do provide BUYERS PROTECTION. Even you cant able to file a Lawsuit but you can know with whom you are dealing with, you can meet him personally @there office if you are not satisfied with support/replies.If you find yourself in a Huge losses [300-400$] you will be free to file a lawsuit .

Some kiddies , even you dont know there real names/addresses/age/profile do come here from several corners of world & arrange Hosting for members. DO YOU KNOW FROM WHERE THEY ARRANGE HOSTING FOR YOU ??????

Answer:From Registered Hosting Firms.They do buy a Small package & oversell it


CONCLUSION :
1. Registered Companies do provide Buyers protection.
2. NO Scams [few ppl can do say so due to there Harsh ToS]
3. Better Client-Buyer Relationship.
4. Trustworthy [They cant run in a night after getting lots of money like some KIDDIES do over Internet]

5. Better Technical Knowledge/experienced Support can be expected from them.Although some Kid do run Hosting Websites may FAIL in this.

 
Well I blame the people's fault if they get scammed. The fly-by-night hosts are made, keeping in mind to earn lots of money in short time and then BOOM ! They vanish. So its the user who has to first research about the host and then buy.

Just for example, you are interested in motionite netherlands VPS. You see all good replies in the sales thread. But if I were to buy it, I wouldn't trust few replies. I'd google for "motionite vps review" or "motionite sucks". The 2nd phrase would return me something if their services would really be unacceptable. If it returns nothing, then I'd order the service on Motionite.com

So it totally depends on the user. The rule of disallowing nulled WHMCS was a great move indeed and has stopped 2% of the fly-by-night hosts. So its now the user's turn to forelook the company's reviews before ordering their service, instead of getting scammed within 1-2 months and then coming here and crying over the service.

Also, what you need to look in a host's sale thread is, what replies they give to the clients problems (mostly downtime). 90% of time, the problem arises due to fault in the datacenter's network. But the hosts hide this and say any false excuse which are hard to believe. I say, be transparent. If its the host's fault, then accept it. If not, then tell your clients whats the real problem is.

So, I guess we just need to educate the new comers about the selection of proper hosts on WJunction.
 
I would like to ask BLAZE & WJ STAFF ,
Is Hosting Website Creditability only depend on a 15$ WHMCS License????.

I think its NOT Fare. I do agree that Buyers do use there Discretion before buying ,as in every place Black sheeps are present.
 
Well, its not a big deal, but it still prevents those kiddie hosts which thrive on 5-6$ reseller plans from selling. Its like they have to spend extra 15$ on the license + 5-6$ reseller hosting fees.

So this may prevent many kids to start a hosting site.
 
Your thinking is wrong. I did read your reply. Also, don't stick on the nulled WHMCS rule and bash it. It was made to help somehow. Think vivid and think something else rather than wasting time on the same WHMCS license rule :/
 
@Blaze,
I didn't Stick with only one Rule , But you sticked with MOTIONITE & WHMCS rule.
As i forwarded the link above...I cleared My points by many reasons & WHMCS is not mentioned over it.

Anyway , I dont have Wrong feeling for you OR your Websites. Just discussing the topic with some references. Good luck with your business
 
Well TBH many hosts here have reseller accounts and they sell cheap hosting via that.

Not saying all have reseller accounts. Few are really trust worthy and are really good.

But all those who give unlimited BW and all that sort of offers, have reseller accounts. They are the one who have maximum probs and clients suffer a lot because of them and then they run away with the cash.

Regards
 
EnCiPh3r said:
Get Scammed Once Shame on Company
Get Scammed Twice Shame on "HIM"

Him (Person who gets scammed again)

People Fall Before They Start Walking

its not like they are scamming more than $20(rare Case) per Person

As for the Backups Person is responsible for his backup thats y it is called backup to get his site Back UP

Many People Dont Register company who cares if u think he isnt registered dont buy, better than making Drama Threads to which staff may turn a Blind Eye

Things wont change people do that here and certainly they do over @ WHT / DP

People like this are everywhere just be smart
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Drama threads? Seriously? Anyway...

All I see is some old members of WJ coming in this topic and replying

We have been here for over a year on average and know the trend of how people scam and all that stuff.

After Elio scammed over that thing, we got to know, that we shud be careful about some stuff. When we say, do this and do that, it's very easy to do that, really but very hard to make it happen.

I have had my share of WJ, and been here for a long time, I can assure, even more than that date showing in my profile. Now don't go all banning on me, as I have had a clean record all my life.

When a new member looking for some service comes here, what do they get? A bunch of hosts who go on bumping their threads to make them come on top, with good reviews. I am sure, as I have seen it, that hosts ASK their clients to bump it with fake shit, and I can even name some, but I wont. I have worked for some here, so I know who is what.

As we were talking about hosts, lets take Hostgator as an example,

They have a very professional and organized approach to their clients, but I have seen many hosts over here who make their clients look dumb and those poor people cant even say anything, AS THOSE HOSTS DON'T HAVE A REFUND POLICY.

Seriously? Are we that immature?

All I was pointing out at was, we need to have some MORE ground rules for host companies, if at all checking them is a problem.

souvikroy1111 said:
how to know that a host is a reseller or he has his own servers
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Probably ask their DC or some thing, I don't know
 
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