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Well after a random discussions about different perceptions in the chatbox I decided to make a thread to get more views and outlooks.

It's the "internet" outlook - Depending on which site I am on and who I am talking to there is very little they can say that will piss me off. WJ for example is a site where I will never actually meet anyone (or have no immediate plans to) so what someone says I will take with a grain of salt. It will only hurt if it is really true, in which case is a statement no longer flame. If someone said DeLeTeD your a 500lbs bear, it wouldn't bug me as I know the statement is false. There is valid points that the internet could be considered like life as you have businesses, transactions, ect. As sir happy the great said, it depends what you put in order for what you want back.

Another point I would like to bring up is assuming. Although yes ass-u-me (ahaha) can be bad I would think there is a strong correlation with perfection. Everything I do must be to high standard and tend to do things till they are right. I also come up with all the possible out comes (assuming). This habit can be annoying to others, however trying to be at 100% all the time can't be seen as a bad thing, can it? Although it can be seen as uncertainty I see it has being prepared.

Which leads me to my last point which is our cynical temporary hate towards others. If someone were to make a thread saying member X scammed here is proof, there will be tons of replies with evil intentions before the person can defend them-self. There have been lots of cases in which it was a misunderstanding, however we (or most who reply) always expect the worst and want to see others suffer.

A bit random but yeah that's what I am all about :D
 
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There's one thing I don't really understand about the internet. It's on your last part where "everyone want to see others suffer". Why? Why do people want to see other suffer?

It's pathetic, even tho it's the internet I think that everyone should be friendly with each other.
 
Because it's the internet.

People flame on the internet like some bully in school. They want to feel power, and they will express it in some ways.
 
As for someone annoying me.
I'm the master at ignoring things. It's the internet and my favourite button is the new tab button. Most people spend less than a second on a page before finding something they find interesting and read. You don't have to read something if your not interested. I think this is why I enjoy WJ more as a member than staff too. You sorta feel you have to read those long scam threads that don't go anywhere or people complaining about stuff you really have no interest in.

I wouldn't say I'm impervious though to feelings. Their are some people and if I see they've created a new topic I'll definitely read it no matter how boring it sounds eg elj, DeLeTeD, Whoo, Hyperz, iMage etc. If one of these were to say something personal then it would mean a lot more.

As far as others go, I may reply but I'd have forgotten about it in a few minutes. Their is a lot of imaturity on WJ (and I don't mind that) but it means I don't take it serious.

I'm definitely not the same on your last point and being a perfectionist. I really don't see the point in spending hours perfecting something that your only going to use for a day or two. eg. no point perfecting an install script when it's more important to concentrate that time on the script itself. It's more of a time management and buisness like mind. I never have enough time for all I want to do so I prioritise rather than perfect.
 
Happy you bring up some good points. We read what we want to and have the ability to ignore what does not seem to interest us. Like you said and mostly the same list of people, if created a topic I would read it (lol @ no matter how boring it sounds, :D ) and yes if you said said something to me personally rather then some random new member it would mean more but to what extent? Still at the overall picture I think it is low.

I suppose your right in prioritize rather than perfect however I try to do both all in one. I still prioritize but even still everything still must be at what I think to beleive is at my higher level of perfect. In your example yes you would work on the main script and make it as close to complete as possible before I would work and fix the install script. However say your script has a few bugs and you want to add some new features, what do you do first? Fix the bugs or add new features?
 
The anonymity the Internet brings is pretty amazing. What people do with this anonymity is not so amazing.

Our society is centered around violence. Got a problem with someone? Fight em. Got a problem with a country? Go to war. It's only natural that this carries on to all of us in our day to day lives. When on the internet, we exemplify this, we know there are relatively little repercussions, and so inside, we all think "hey, why not".

Also, to be honest, it's also just this forum. I don't personally like too many of the people on here (with some notable exceptions), and often, their grammar, their language, and just their lack of ehm, common sense (and immaturity) that gets to my nerves, so you'll have to excuse me for being slightly cynical.

On the topic of flaming, I learnt a long time ago to not give two shits what people think of me. Whether you flame me on the net, or in real life, I couldn't care less. However, like Mr Happy, if it is from one of the people who I consider decent, then I would actually pay attention, because it's probably true.

Also, on another note, I'd like to congratulate this thread and DeLeTeD. You got everyone speaking in full sentences.
 
I agree with the "internet" theory, but only to a sense, for example, any mindless or pointless flaming doesn't affect me at all, to be honest that's the case whether it's on the internet or real life, however, there are some factors that affect the "care or not".

If the "flame" is about something you truly care about, or the source of it is a person that you respect and did not expect that from them, then definitely, there will be a level of care, we can't not care all the time, we're humans, it's our nature, denying that or "mind blocking it" can turn you into a very cold person, with little or no passion, did that make sense?

The thing that bothers me is not the flaming or hate itself, what bothers me is when people disagree, fight, flame or any of those war like behaviors, they either hold a grudge for a very long time or almost never have the, um, courage? to settle things down in a civilized way. That's what really bothers me to be honest, that's why you might see me angry about something today, then tomorrow I'd forget about it, a new page.

As for assuming, you know my feelings about that DeLeTeD, that part puzzles me and actually drives me crazy sometimes, in any community or a group you can easily notice the "reasonable guys", so you'd expect those guys to be the last to assume.

There is a big difference between assuming and calculating, for example, calculating can be described easily, specially if you're a developer or a programmer.

A simple if/else if loop can make you calculate the outcomes, if I do this, this will happen, else if I do that, then another thing will happen, so on so forth.

Assuming is like defining an unknown object, something that we do not understand or know, at very little times our conclusion (after assuming) can be correct, but we believe it anyway because it seems logical to us.

Let me share a story, one guy was bored, it was 4:00 AM, so he decides to call another friend to see if he's up or not, anyway, the friend is up and they decide to just go out and "cruise" the roads, listen to some music and talk about random stuff, they notice this car, tinted (darkened) windows so you basically couldn't see anything inside.

Anyway, it's 4 AM, and they notice that the person is driving in a some what weird way, you know, going a bit left here and a bit right there, so the two guys said "Oh snap, drunk ftw", they decided to follow the guy, amused by the fact that he's drunk and driving. After about three minutes the guy parks, gets out of the car goes to the other door (passenger side) and then he helps a screaming old man to get out, they parked in a hospital.

Turns out the guy was driving that way because the old man was in pain and he was trying to calm him down on the way.

The story ends, now, here is the kick out of it, if I say that this is a true story, some will actually assume it's not, and that it's a fake story, the irony here is, the story is true and it's the perfect example that assuming, while all the factors can seem logical, but not always true, but even the story can make you assume.

timtamboy63, the grammar and English part, you have to understand something, a person that is "weak" in English does not make them a noob, or a kid, it is merely a language barrier and it is actually impressive.

While there are a lot here that speak many languages even to a perfect level, that doesn't make the not so perfect in their second language noobs, it actually means they're smart, after all, they are speaking more than one language.

They might not seem as professional to you as the others, but who knows, in their own "tongue" they might be rocket scientists, so to speak, and their problem is only with the second language. Many leaders, successful and powerful people do not know how to speak English, because it is not a requirement as some think, however, they know how to communicate in basic ways. (eg. Nicolas Sarkozy)
 
I think you are correct and there are certain factors which determine if I care or not, but the ones in which I do are very hard to come by. Even in real life I am a very easy going person and hardly nothing really offends me, however when it does I am fairly stubborn to change my mind on the person/matter. People do ignor stuff and the truth of the matter is tons out there are indeed cold as you say it.

The reason why forgiveness is hard is because you were just arguing with the person, or had a disagreement. However if the person who was truly wrong or started something forgive im sure most of this kind of stuff would disappear.

I love the whole difference between assuming and calculating sentence. Although not everything can be calculated in which case assumptions have to be made in order to continue. Think of how humans came into existence, or if the earth will come to an end one. Yes calculations can help you, however to a point your still assuming everything stays as per your calculations. Although that might not of made complete sense like you said as long as the outcome seems logical to us we are satisfied with the assumption.

I love the whole story about the guy calming the old man down, however your still assuming the driver did not have anything to drink before having to rush to the hospital. So we have gone full circle. (ahaha :P)

It is truly amazing how many active users WJunction has from all sorts of different countries. Not all speak English as a primary language as Elj pointed out, and there effort of trying is more then someone who doesn't try, however it is always nice to see posts with more thought. There communication might be limited but there is a various number of tools on the internet which can help them express themselves. I think the whole major point of replies would focus on effort instead of professionalism, however both together really works well together.

This thread is by no means directed at WJ, or the members, rather then my findings and thoughts throughout the web as a whole.
 
The difference between calculating and assuming are the variables and values, if you want to think of it in a very technical way.

If you face something and you want to calculate all or most outcomes, all the possible results you come up with will have the same value and weight, for example.

If DeLeTeD is on Wjunction, possible outcomes:
- He'll chat in chatbox
- Make a thread
- Send a PM
- Lurk (lol)
...etc

In that calculation, each outcome has the same value, because any or all are possible, with assumption, you're giving one outcome the biggest value, in other words, true or false, for example:

If DeLeTeD is on WJunction:
- He WILL make a thread.

That's the difference, assumption equals one value, while it's logical, but it's not necessarily true, because DeLeTeD can be on WJunction and not make a thread at all.

I have a comment about the earth theory you mentioned, yes, of course, nothing can be accurately calculated, if that was the case we wouldn't make mistakes at all, but you missed one point, no one assumed one theory of existence, I don't know if you read about this, the most common theory about the existence of the universe is the big bang theory, however, now there are more theories such as the inflation theory, and many others.

They didn't dismiss any of the other theories even though some make sense more than the others, they add it to the calculation, to the possible outcome, so technically it's not assuming, it's actually building a hierarchy of possibilities and each one has the same weight of "possible truth".

That's why, in my opinion, calculating is much better than assuming, because it makes you prepared to most, if not all outcomes, while assumption only sets you on one road, the one you assumed existed.

About the story, yea lol, that's what I meant about the irony in it, the story was supposed to prove assumption is wrong, but the story itself will make you assume.
 
Well using the logic of assumption is one, whereas calculate is many, someone posting one assumption, and someone else posting another assumption is also building a hierarchy :D So using you elj as an example. I create a thread "what will elj do on wj today"

I assume he will lurk. (lol)
Someone else replies and assumes he will create a topic.
another person thinks he will pm.

Now according to that assumption becomes calculation.

Don't get me wrong I understand where you are going with this and get your point totally :D

About the story elj, did you think and create it yourself? It was very cleaver.


I must say thanks to those who replied with some good logic as it really broadened my outlook.
 
You guys are really over-thinking some very basic situations, this is like writing an essay on how awesome pencils are, there is not much to write unless you force yourself.

About assumptions, I love assuming things, assumptions usually lead you to expect the most probable conclusion to a situation at the expense of not considering other things that could happen (which are probably unlikely to happen).
 
Loget said:
You guys are really over-thinking some very basic situations, this is like writing an essay on how awesome pencils are, there is not much to write unless you force yourself.

About assumptions, I love assuming things, assumptions usually lead you to expect the most probable conclusion to a situation at the expense of not considering other things that could happen (which are probably unlikely to happen).
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Go go power pencils! :w00t:
 
Loget for you :))

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Edit- after a word count of page one of this thread there is close to 3,000 words lol :D
 
timtamboy63, the grammar and English part, you have to understand something, a person that is "weak" in English does not make them a noob, or a kid, it is merely a language barrier and it is actually impressive.
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Fair enough, but when I ask them why they spEaK liKe this!!!!!!!! and they tell me it looks cool, it's hard not to pass judgement. It's not the poor grammer that annoys me, it's that ^. If they learnt to speak English, I'm pretty darn sure they learnt to type properly, and use one exclamation mark, and not stick random caps in everywhere as well.
 
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