That Missing Alexa Review Exchange Thread

[Qoo]

Well,

There is quite an heated argument in the ChatBox and as suggested by a moderator that we can open a debate thread and it won't get closed if we keep things civil (http://d.pr/i/9nJg)

So yeah, firstly, why is that thread closed when a similar thread ran for over 9 months and more than 23 pages. The thread was moved to completed transactions because the user was banned.

WDF says that's because the new rule wasn't in place, I might not know the rules too well but could that be pointed out where is the rule?

Lastly, what's wrong with an alexa review exchange thread? The reason was that because WJ does not want webmasters who are not honest. Doing blackhat SEO is not being honest either. And most of us here come from warez administration backgrounds but a simple review exchange makes us not honest?

Edit: Would just like to add, Sniff said the user can go elsewhere to provide his services. He was providing an exchange not a service. Also comparing them to fake likes which are not allowed here is something totally different. Fake likes are from bots/accounts created fake. However, if you like my page and I like your page, how is that fake? It was a like exchange. It's the same thing, alexa review exchange

[mod] Do not close this thread[/mod]

 

[Froomple]

Exactly, something should be done with this.
All rules must be revised and edited accordingly...
Let's take this one as example, this thread is closed calling it fake or w.e., while a thread which was posted long ago was pretty much active.. :http://www.wjunction.com/128-completed-transactions/111757-alexa-com-review-exchange.html ..
All i ask is, when you have a blackhat forum, why don't you accept these kinda threads?
I mean, there's completely no harm in alexa reviews. They don't promote your website in any kind, your alexa rank improves only if your site has enough traffic. Reviews might just help your site look better.

 

[innocent_kid]

secondly in that thread i would like to point out
http://www.wjunction.com/1682148-post6.htm
this post particularly
i even dont understand what was blackhat in it?
asking comminuty to review a website is not blackhat
practicaly
i doubt some normal user would randomly go alexa.com and give a review... i am pretty sure alexa knows this verywell too that no one would randomly leave review about websites on alexa.com
so that review option there .. is particularly for reason that owners can ask community to leave reviews!!

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SEE this is what i meant by rude and power abusive staff!!!
staff can be as rude as they want and abusive to normal community member on their wishes in chatbox
but if normal member even says "shh" to staff to calm or end discusion he gets a chatbox ban...
LOL
seriously
wj staff needs to lighten up
PROOF?
i just got banned from cb
for stating a valid point... and asking mod not to continue that discusion in chatbox (obv after repling his chat message)
well there goes wj new staff for ya....
well lets continue in this thread
but you know what
just as i said in chatbox its not worthy discussing here
you know why?
because NO mods are gonna reply here nyway
if they actualy wanted to solve it out or anything .. there were mods available on chatbox to answer... and those who know this thread but none of them bothered to reply in thread .. and that was main reason everyone was still toking about it in chatbox
fact is
yes QQQ this thread might not get closed... but its for certain that this thread will lead no where
:D
i guess i have done enuff job provking staff but had no choice

 

[cvrle77]

So, by you, solving the problem is complying to your way of understanding the rules?

i doubt some normal user would randomly go alexa.com and give a review...

POINT in alexa having review section, is that random user can leave it there, and not cheating others, recommending site you landed ONLY to give a review, without actually using it.

 

[Froomple]

So, by you, solving the problem is complying to your way of understanding the rules?

POINT in alexa having review section, is that random user can leave it there, and not cheating others, recommending site you landed ONLY to give a review, without actually using it.

Well not everyone owns a BBC or Google site here :P @CV...

 

[Qoo]

So, by you, solving the problem is complying to your way of understanding the rules?


POINT in alexa having review section, is that random user can leave it there, and not cheating others, recommending site you landed ONLY to give a review, without actually using it.

POINT of having proper SEO is so that consumers who use the search engine can get to what they actually wanted but using black hat is not cheating?

And about the solving the problem, no one said it's about understanding the rule, the question is which rule exactly.

 

[innocent_kid]

any proof that they were random?
and also these review that guy talked about in thread
were meant to be hand written self written
for alexa .. random people
and totaly not blackhat...
even building links manualy is not considered blackhat is it?

 

[WDF]

Any activity that violates any sites ToS is forbidden.

 

[Froomple]

@WDF, then how is Black hat discussion allowed here. I don't see that it is with the T.O.S of any website. :blink:

 

[innocent_kid]

GF blackhat seo zone
GF warez hosters
GF filehost
GF warez forums (voilates 100s of sites)
GF service section
GF most usefull sites thread
GF WJ (90% of things here are against google's some or other TOS)

 

[Qoo]

Any activity that violates any sites ToS is forbidden.

Allowing file hosts that promote you to upload warez violates copyright laws. Why isn't that forbidden either?

Talking about violating a site's TOS, twitter does not allow sales of any accounts, yet a thread is selling a twitter account.

 

[WDF]

if you see a violation report it, the thread you linked to is now closed, see how easy that was.

 

[Froomple]

if you see a violation report it, the thread you linked to is now closed, see how easy that was.

So when can we see the closure of Filehost and Blackhat section ? :whistle:

 

[cvrle77]

any proof that they were random?

Do you have any proof that they are not random, since you claim they are not?
I have a thread as a proof that reviews you are getting from that thread, are not random, they are fake.

and also these review that guy talked about in thread were meant to be hand written self written

Well, he can't write them with foot, can't he? Does that mean review is honest? Nope. You are getting positive review, no matter how bad site actually is. Who's that helping except site owner? No one. It's fake, dishonest, not real. And it falls in category of fake Google+1s, Facebook Likes etc.

There is a difference when you have a page with honest intentions, and you are asking community to like the page. (competitions, donations to good causes and similar)
And difference where sole purpose of having review is to attract pageviews, no matter how bad your page is, or what that page is about.

Talking about violating a site's TOS, twitter does not allow sales of any accounts, yet a thread is selling a twitter account.

Be a good member, report posts that violate rules.

About blackhat forum: http://www.wjunction.com/6-feedback-suggestions/150491-blackhat-forum.html
YOU suggested it, we accepted it.
Faking alexa reviews isn't blackhat, it's just making fake review.
IF there's more than 3-4 members that support having a topic about getting fake reviews, we MIGHT reconsider it. Note that 'MIGHT' does not mean 'probably we will'. That is the reason why I said, open this topic.

 

[Qoo]

About blackhat forum: http://www.wjunction.com/6-feedback-suggestions/150491-blackhat-forum.html
YOU suggested it, we accepted it.
Faking alexa reviews isn't blackhat, it's just making fake review.

How come that time no mod said that it's an activity against a site's TOS and since that is a rule in wj, how come the section made it in?

 

[cvrle77]

Was that an english? Can you rephase your sentence, I haven't understood a word of it.

 

[WDF]

So when can we see the closure of Filehost and Blackhat section ? :whistle:

I have been asking the same question about File hosts section for a year.


I did not vote in the blackhat section.


Those questions should be directed to others above my rank.

 

[Qoo]

Was that an english? Can you rephase your sentence, I haven't understood a word of it.

Sure no problem, when the suggestion was made to make the blackhat section, how is it so that no staff objected that it breaks a site's TOS and such activity is not allowed in WJ.

I mean you have problems with an exchange thread, how did such a section even make it through?

 

[cvrle77]

Because there was a demand, which didn't consist of 3-4 users.
Do note that we, as moderators, have a right to close threads, if we find they are not proper. For example, you cannot share any warez stuff in here ( no warez linking) but you can post your site in signature, even if site itself is linking to warez.
Also, we allow DISCUSSIONS about blackhat, but we do not promote sharing cracked SEO tools.
For what we seem to find is innapropriate, it doesn't have to be in the rules for staff, to close/delete it.
BH section also have it's own rules, like, no ddos/hack/any extreme form discussions, email lists exchange, etc...
Basically general rules still apply there.

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reopened

 

[Qoo]

I got infracted and I was told you go elsewhere if I had a problem with the rules. I guess that pretty much sums up this debate.

I would not counter argue anymore as we all can see where this is going. Nothing is going to change. (: