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Yep, sweden is pretty expensive if you compare it to netherlands or even luxemburg, france or germany...

The good point with Canada is the good connectivity to US & EU.

HK can be nice but longer routes to reach EU/US - depend where your main traffic originates from though..

You could also try hosting in the Uk, e.g.
Code:
http://www.uk2.net/dedicated-servers/linux-dedicated-hosting/
I was speaking to one of their rep the other day and they said aslong as the site is legal they will not take any action and they forward takedown notices to you to take action if they see the site as illegal, but it was all a bit grey about what they think constitues legal or not, (namely diffrent reps told me diffrent specifics) so if you do decide on them it would be worth paying spitice for his reverse proxy service, then notices get sent to his dc and not your actual datacenter.

If you choose this solution (reverse proxy) you could even go for a really cheap place like germany or france, but the trouble will be that you'll need a lot of bandwidth on the reverse proxy node & will increase latency a bit.

Depend the bandwidth you really use in upload but might not be worth it if it's a lot of bandwidth...
 
Yep, sweden is pretty expensive if you compare it to netherlands or even luxemburg, france or germany...

luxemburg is not a safe county anymore (or server.lu certainly is not), i got kicked out of luxemburg, cannot blame server.lu though, they have in the past had police threatening to confiscate their servers if they didnt comply with baf, so they now comply, and they where a good host for the 1 year 4 months i was with them, and they did give me enough time to deal with it or pack my bags.

BAF just like brain though want the whole site shut down not just links removed.
 
Oh, so luxembourg now have something like BREIN and is now not better than the netherlands? :/
(Might still be better than france, UK & germany I guess)

By the way, do you know what's the meaning for BAF?
edit: got it Belgian Antipiracy Federation...

How come do these guys have some strengh in Luxemburg?
 
well you be stupid to host on uk lol

You are wrong, It is legal to facilitate e.g. run a link site in the uk (i dont have time to explain it all to you again, see my other posts, or look through the legal section), which makes it a pretty good place to put your indexer atleast to me but you need to find the right host who follows uk law to the letter, which is the main problem also it can be explensive compared to other countries, but once someone tests out some uk hosts and finds out what they really do when they are being pressured and not what they say they do, we will have a point to go forward on, or a reliable uk host.

How come do these guys have some strengh in Luxemburg?
According to the pdf they sent me, when i was told by server.lu to spreak to them or i would be suspended within a couple of days, they claim luxemburg law is the same as beligan law.

Server.lu when i spoke to them again said they it was too costly for them to challege baf further and set precedent cases in luxumberg.

See The BAF Pdf, if you get complains from baf, it will almost certainly be the same pdf (they send it to me 4 times, 1 for each site on the ip address)

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What about Estonia? NEVER got a complain from the DC lol :P
Trust me Estonia is safe.

Anyway I can't provide Dedi's because they are too expensive, please check these highend VPS:
http://motionite.com/servers.html

Regards


NOTE to other kiddie hosts; The following countries are safe: Estonia, Russia, Ukraine, Iran, HongKong, Malysia.

Also safe (If you know how to manage DMCA complains.): Canada, Netherlands

Not safe: Germany, USA, etc...

Which one of those has lots of BW ? Estonia, Russia, Ukraine, Iran, HongKong, Malysia.

I need space and bandwidth, as my site for movies streaming but its not english.
It's in my native language.
Also if you know good hosting companies.

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are you from Luxmberg?
 
@delboy
are you from Luxmberg?

No im from the United Kingdom :) (where facilitiation is legal) hence i didnt shut down and moved my sites to Ukraine, been there 5 months now its nice country, not one single email from our ukraine host, about complaints from baf, bigfish games, etc. Our host is so great they did not even put an abuse email on our ips :)
 
@delboy thanks for replying.

@localhost, thanks for replying too.

Do you offer space upgrade? and VPS management? what about server connection?
 
You are wrong, It is legal to facilitate e.g. run a link site in the uk (i dont have time to explain it all to you again, see my other posts, or look through the legal section), which makes it a pretty good place to put your indexer atleast to me but you need to find the right host who follows uk law to the letter, which is the main problem also it can be explensive compared to other countries, but once someone tests out some uk hosts and finds out what they really do when they are being pressured and not what they say they do, we will have a point to go forward on, or a reliable uk host.


According to the pdf they sent me, when i was told by server.lu to spreak to them or i would be suspended within a couple of days, they claim luxemburg law is the same as beligan law.

Server.lu when i spoke to them again said they it was too costly for them to challege baf further and set precedent cases in luxumberg.

See The BAF Pdf, if you get complains from baf, it will almost certainly be the same pdf (they send it to me 4 times, 1 for each site on the ip address)

Hum, so luxembourg doesn't seem to be the right place... Thanks for all this informations mate!

UK can be nice, and good for european & us transit, but as you said is there any host that will respect the law...

Don't know if the UK would be fine for a torrent site though.
 
Hum, so luxembourg doesn't seem to be the right place... Thanks for all this informations mate!

UK can be nice, and good for european & us transit, but as you said is there any host that will respect the law...

Don't know if the UK would be fine for a torrent site though.
UK is a big no-no for torrent sites. Warez linking might be fine in UK, if it doesn't get a lot of attention.
 
UK is a big no-no for torrent sites. Warez linking might be fine in UK, if it doesn't get a lot of attention.

Ok. so warez linking:
us (if dcma is respected) - nl /uk /de (if small) - se / ua / ru / ir / hk?
torrenting:
se / ca / ua / ru / ir / hk - nl & de if small
 
delboy, 1gbps port isn't what I want because the cost seems to be to high with the ukraine host :)
DaringHost is using hostkey.org I see, I don't like there dedi prices ^.^

I live in the UK, if I'd use a UK host this would conflict with me making it more easy to get me to court correct?

 
UK is a big no-no for torrent sites. Warez linking might be fine in UK, if it doesn't get a lot of attention.
You are wrong, i dont get why you all think the uk is unsafe, its not FACT, there have been two court cases, Oink and Tv-Links and in both these causes it was declared to be legal to facilitate.

Another good example is the Uk Postal Service, if you send me a pirate dvd and 10boxes of cocaine, do royal mail (Uk Postal Service) get in trouble for delivering cocaine and a pirate dvd, no because it illegal for them to open mail, so they are potentually delivering anything.

I live in the UK, if I'd use a UK host this would conflict with me making it more easy to get me to court correct?
Not really, its obviously slight more difficult and takes more people to get info from foreign servers, but if they have co-operation from the server host, then it shouldent make a major diffrence, even with this, you should not have legal problems from the police, i mean if you have 2 cases saying its legal to run a facilitation site, will they really keep listing to the mpaa and arrest people, and take them to court, to be honest i doubt it, but you never really know for sure, all i know is the law is the law and if something is not a crime, its not a crime until such time as the law is potentually changed.
 
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Interesting what you say delboy, so sounds like the situation is pretty much the same in uk than what it is in spain ( but it will probably change in spain pretty fast though).

The question would be which host is not too expensive & will keep the server running even if there is some presuer... :)

Anyway, bandwidth in the uk should be cheaper than in sweden I guess...


But the country where you live is in my opinion quite important, and at one point - it all depend what your strategy is - probably more important than the place where the servers are: You can make it harder to track you down being in a country where copyright infringtment is not a crime (iran, hk for example) - or being in a place where the bureaucratic system will make it hard for somebody from the outside to have your presonnal information (russia for example) - or in a place where there are some strong crazy hosts that believe that it's free speach and they must fight for it (let say sweden, some nice hosts in canada too for this) - but once the people who want you down have found a way to have your personal information - if they find a way, which might be hard right now in iran or hk - I guess that they'll have to go to court in your own country to prosecute you. (in the country where the server is they could have the court rule to shut down your server, eventually to forbid you to access the country, don't think that something else can happen)

In that case, you are lucky if you live in the UK, lucky if you live in spain, and less lucky if you live in france or germany for example...

So i'd say that if you live in a place where it's legally legal to do what you do, then why not doing a legit business and if you have to go to court, well, why not? - you'll win anyway...

At the same time law changes and will change everywhere with this ACTA crap going on so at that point the only way to run a server freely will probably be to be... outside ACTA territory... but hey, cyberspace is dead few years ago anyway...

:)

I'm not an international / copyright lawyer though, that's just the way i understand things :)
 
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The question would be which host is not too expensive & will keep the server running even if there is some presuer...

Exactly thats the one problem at the moment with the uk, finding the right host, and without taking a punt, trying them and seeing what happens, you dont really know if they will stick to what they said when you asked them....

The Uk is quite a good country to be honest, facilitation being legal, and even downloading copyrighted material not being that serious, Uk copyright law (i cannot remember which section specifically) but basicly it says the rights holder can only claim for one copy of the work, so if you download a 30 pound dvd, they would only get 30 pound, which to be honest makes going to court pretty pointless, for a lawyer to write just on letter it would cost more than that.

But the country where you live is in my opinion quite important, and at one point - it all depend what your strategy is - probably more important than the place where the servers are:
Yes country you live is one of the most important factors, i have got to be honest, i would have probably quit running a linking site if i lived in the usa, other hostile companys, becuase some stranger getting the latest movie, game, software etc really isnt worth my life.


if they find a way, which might be hard right now in iran or hk - I guess that they'll have to go to court in your own country to prosecute you.
Yes they go to court in the country you live, its not harder to find people per say by using a foreign country, its just cross juristicion, so its should in theory be more difficult to prosecute, especially if the host is uncooperative.

So i'd say that if you live in a place where it's legally legal to do what you do, then why not doing a legit business and if you have to go to court, well, why not? - you'll win anyway...
My thoughts enterley.
 
Reading the past posts gives me a good picture of the situation but it does not answer my basic question that others may have too.

Looking for free hosting to host a very small warez linking forum.
1000-1500 total members
50-100 simultaneous users

It’s a good idea to stay on more safe countries, like Russia, Estonia, Malaysia etc.. or its irrelevant in this size and I can use companies with better free packages with no ads? (ex. freewebhostingarea.com)

Please point me to right direction...
 
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Does anyone listen to anything on here? No EUROPE PLACE WILL WORK, PERIOD. not sweden, germany, not the netherlands, not anywhere. Russia will be also following suit with everyone and they said they will start removing abusive content, china won't allow it, Hong Kong won't allow it, no one where is safe anymore, and I'm laughing because all the people that think Europe is the best place to go is getting what I told them months ago, and just because you haven't been shut down since, It will happen, give it time. If the government doesn't get you the data center will. There is no place that will be allowing warez hosting or even linking anymore, fact is linking is ILLEGAL if you don't think so, go look at all the data centers raided in Europe and alike, If your site isn't big you probably won't be a target yet, but sooner or later you will be and all of you people that think your safe and your not doing anything illegal think again, if the government gets you, get ready to go to prison and get tens of thousands in fines just for linking to copyright material. It's the risk your going to be taking. Just because a company ignores DMCA doesn't make them able to avoid the government or copyright acts, wrong they will be liable if they don't resolve abuse complaints along with the owner of the site.

The thing no one ever notices is, EVERY SINGLE ISP IN EVERY COUNTRY HAS UNITED STATES UPSTREAM PROVIDERS, Even if they are in Russia or alike they are linking to the US which means if they don't follow the laws they get there lines cut and no one on the outside can access anything.

Look at limewire, they are doing exactly like you guys are doing, they aren't hosting the content, they are only directing searches to the content, IE: linking to it, and the federal government shut them down along with millions in fines and prison time for the owners. I bet 1 year from now, massive amounts of people will be in prison for running warez sites, or will face millions in fines, even if you run a small forum, they care less, one less on the internet is a win for them, and they have unlimited amounts of funds, try to battle them, unless you have millions to blow on legal battles, you will lose, always.

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You are wrong, i dont get why you all think the uk is unsafe, its not FACT, there have been two court cases, Oink and Tv-Links and in both these causes it was declared to be legal to facilitate.

Another good example is the Uk Postal Service, if you send me a pirate dvd and 10boxes of cocaine, do royal mail (Uk Postal Service) get in trouble for delivering cocaine and a pirate dvd, no because it illegal for them to open mail, so they are potentually delivering anything.


Your wrong, the uk is just as bad as any other country learn your facts before posting this crap, your giving people the wrong impression they have just the same laws as the united states.

Not really, its obviously slight more difficult and takes more people to get info from foreign servers, but if they have co-operation from the server host, then it shouldent make a major diffrence, even with this, you should not have legal problems from the police, i mean if you have 2 cases saying its legal to run a facilitation site, will they really keep listing to the mpaa and arrest people, and take them to court, to be honest i doubt it, but you never really know for sure, all i know is the law is the law and if something is not a crime, its not a crime until such time as the law is potentually changed.
Once again your wrong, a simple court order that costs a few bucks to file in court can get all of your legal information, name, address, phone number, directly from the isp or data center. It doesn't cost more than $50 to do all this, and you think the huge companies are going to go broke from this? Hell no your a fool, they can charge you up to 1 million dollars per copyright violation fact is no matter what they always win, you can't defend against a billion dollar company.
 
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Your wrong, the uk is just as bad as any other country learn your facts before posting this crap, your giving people the wrong impression they have just the same laws as the united states.
Lol, you are wrong very wrong, i suggest you read things like the Copyright Design & Patent Act, and look at the only two uk court cases on this matter, and you will see that at this current time i am correct the uk is safe to facilitate, and even downloading is not overally serious, as uk copyright law specificically mentions you can only be forced to pay a single copy of the work.

Once again your wrong, a simple court order that costs a few bucks to file in court can get all of your legal information, name, address, phone number, directly from the isp or data center. It doesn't cost more than $50 to do all this, and you think the huge companies are going to go broke from this? Hell no your a fool, they can charge you up to 1 million dollars per copyright violation fact is no matter what they always win, you can't defend against a billion dollar company.

I suggest you re-read my point, Yes they can get your infomation from the data center, domain registrar, no matter where you are, i never said they couldent i said, Cross Juristicion is more difficult, and that if the host does not co-operation, then it is again even more difficult, i never said improssible, lets take PRQ, they only have an email address on file i believe, so all they can hand over is the persons email, not infomation they dont have.

On your second point 1 million dollars per copyright violation fact is absolute crap, lets put linking aside and say you in fact hosted files directly from your server, and it could be provided that you athorised someone to download the files to your server, or downloaded them yourself or someone on your behalf did it, ALL YOU CAN BE FINED IN THE UK IS THE PRICE OF ONE SINGLE WORK so if you had MP3's which cost $1.99 each, you can only be charged $1.99 an mp3.

Secondly your point about "they always win, you can't defend against a billion dollar company" Again a load of bullshit, in the usa they may always win, In the UK where the laws are diffrent, the ONLY two court cases (Alan Elis Of Oink, and the Tv-Links.co.uk Owner who i cannot remember the name of atm) to reach court to date have been decided in the defendants favour, e.g. the "billion dollar company's" have currently LOST in 100% of the Uk court cases.

These "billion dollar company" have equally currently not attempted to take the owners to the small claims court, where the onus of proof to win is much lower, to try and claim the cost of one copy of the work, which frankly i believe they would loose anyway as the owner did not authorise the downloads to the work (e.g. mp3 or what ever) and they where not doing it on his behalf, again two things that the current UK Copyright law, says you need to even get granted the price of 1 copy of the work.

If you download an Mp3 from the pirate bay, your ip is harvested and it goes to court, then the court can grant the price of one of the mp3 (so lets keep with the $1.99 of erlier), so they take you to court, pay thousands to do so just to recover $1.99, this to me does not make business sence which is probably why, there has not been any actual court cases against downloaders (ACS Law thretened it, got put under preasure then sneakily tried to get default judgments, (e.g. they didnt challenge clients with legal representation) they challenged ones who had not replied, at the 11th hour when it was not going in their favour they tried to drop even these cases, the current outcome is the actual copyright owners have to join the cases, as only the actual owner or exclusive licencee can bring court proceedings, the likely hood is these cases will end up bring dropped in march).

I would also like to request that you refrain from personal insults, like fool and before you comment on a matter with such comments as "same laws as the united states." then i really do suggest you read the LAW of the country you are commenting on, UK Law, e.g. the current uk copyright law, namely the Copyright Design & Patent Act and the two court cases, you atleast do a google, as if you be bothered to do your research from information freely avaible, the CDAPA is even avaible from a goverment website, you would know that my comments are factually accurate, where as yource do not apply to the uk.

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