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speedofpain

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Most of you already know im probably one of the biggest fans of WHMCS there is. In fact i been using it almost 2 years to sell other things other than hosting. WHMCS is so much more than just to sell hosting most just dont see it. Been using it to sell themes and plugins for a while now.

However....

I do not OWN a license. Reason?

A license for WHMCS is just like any other license. 90% of it if just for support and updates, not the actual software which is why i dont have a license. Most of you have seen my WHMCS and there is no way WHMCS would ever support it due to the amount of work thats went into it. Also ill never be able to upgrade due to the same reason. So why would i pay $15 a month or more for 2 things ill never use?

Before you flame me about support? when i had a license when i hosted with cddhosting i sent in a ticket to whmcs asking for help with an issue. The wrote back and said they did not support any whmcs that had been modified which to me is useless. Im sorry if i dont want to pay $15 or more a month to people that wont help me and i cant even use there updates.

For those that havent seen my WHMCS you can view it at http://since83.com

I had a license for a long time, but just seems useless now. The fact that i cant post here anymore offering hosting because of not having a license is just crazy.
 
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I know It's stupid to pay 15$ monthly for something that you won't use. But, if you want to be a professional hoster, designer, or what not. You'll buy the license, just to show everyone that you're able to invest in your business. Let's take Phantom from That1Design as an example, he is a vBulletin Master, he probably could code his own vBulletin. So nulling it himself wouldn't be a problem at all. But still, he paid a vBulletin License to use on his Website, even though 50% of the Website is coded by him.

If he didn't pay for the license people on vBulletin.com and vBulletin.org wouldn't respect him as a Coder and Designer. Because he would be using something he didn't pay for.

Disallowing Nulled WHMCS probably (100%) isn't about its security. It's more like to prevent those small-time scammers. Who just do few scams, and take their site offline. It's not that hard to find out who is a scammer and who isn't. Everyone who tries to scam, eventually get his thread here.
 
invest in my company? i would think with the weeks that i put into my work on my site that is an investment. ever hosting site o go to has some shitty theme and just the default whmcs shit up that dont even have anything to do with the site, everything i have is made to match, look nice and welcoming... im sorry does that not matter?

Im also sorry but why am i having to pay for what scammers do? i haven't scammed anyone so why must my company hurt because of them?

All disallowing nulled whmcs is let the scammers get away with something else, not defeat them because they are still going to do it, all wj did was make us pay for it more.

If my site isnt professorial enough for everyone.... let me know. Before you tell me that its not or that i need to invest in my company... please find another site thats taken the time to take pride in itself more than me.
 
No that does not matter enough if you will not invest in the script you use as a backbone of your site. Sorry, but that is just the way it is. Go to licensepal or something to get a discount.

Sorry, but a lot of people can get a nulled copy and make the site look awesome then just take off. Less of a chance from somebody who looksmore professional with a license and a nice site.
 
It dont matter to you maybe... but some users dont care are place value in other things. Im not paying 15+ a month for something i cant use. It does not benefit me or anyone else if i pay the 15+ a month.

Thats the way some users here made it... thats not just how it is.

So ima scammer now because of this? My site sbeen around how long and ima scammer now?
 
speedofpain said:
invest in my company? i would think with the weeks that i put into my work on my site that is an investment. ever hosting site o go to has some shitty theme and just the default whmcs shit up that dont even have anything to do with the site, everything i have is made to match, look nice and welcoming... im sorry does that not matter?
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Creating a custom design for your Website and modifying CMS you're using isn't an investment. It's just showing that you have the required knowledge to do the WordPress Stuff. So basically, It's to show your potential clients that you're not some kiddo who is Googling every day for some new WordPress themes. You shouldn't expect anything except respect for work done on your Website.

Im also sorry but why am i having to pay for what scammers do? i haven't scammed anyone so why must my company hurt because of them?
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Because you need to show your clients that you're professional enough to host them. Nobody accused you of being a scammer. Having licensed Software means more than just getting help and updates. You should know that by now.

All disallowing nulled whmcs is let the scammers get away with something else, not defeat them because they are still going to do it, all wj did was make us pay for it more.
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If you want a lot of money, you need to invest in your business. Renting a server isn't investment. To become a Hoster you need to have connections everywhere. If you had connections you wouldn't be tomorrow in the same situation like 99.9% Hosters from WJ who are renting their servers from WorldStream and Ecatel. You can't guarantee your clients that your server won't be seized tomorrow. Because, who would notify you about it if you're just another client? And not someone who is highly known for providing Hosting. Long term clients will always be notified if something goes wrong, or if police wants to seize servers they're renting.
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If my site isnt professorial enough for everyone.... let me know. Before you tell me that its not or that i need to invest in my company... please find another site thats taken the time to take pride in itself more than me.
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Your site is decent, it looks like those portfolio Websites of guys who are selling WordPress Stuff. Not like a Hosting site. Let's be realistic, have you seen big hosting providers like: MediaTemple, ThePlanet, HostGator, 1&1, to use WHMCS? Or anything premade? They even have their own servers. They invested in their business. They have their own workers, and everything else that one "Web Hosting Company" should have.

VPSVille.ca isn't so famous, but they have a decent Website, and their custom coded Client Panel.

So, why would people use VPSVille?


  • They have decent Website Design
  • They have their own Client Panel
  • They Do exist in real life.
  • People who work there are professionals.
I'm not affiliated with VPSVille, neither I use their services. But the point was that they invested in their business.
 
x Tempz x said:
Hey,

Dude, I'll like to ask you something. For respect and assurance from customers. $15/Month is nothing.
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I to this day have never been ask by any client or anyone wanting to be a client if i pay for a liscence. Does that answer your question about how much a issue this fucking is?

And why dont you let the client make that call thereself? besides making rules that make it for them.

I have yet to also read a review that the score nulled or not... usually its the support and things like that users want, not if you pay 15 a month.
 
speedofpain said:
Becouse it started as a portfolio maybe? Webdesign isnt an invest to a company? wait.. what?
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Web Design isnt an investment when you are a web developer :)
and being honest your site does not looks professional, well not professional enough for a web developer
 
Sure it is, we take the same pride in our work and our site that anyone would no matter if you make the site or not. Took just as long to make my site as it would have to do any clients site. All but it cost me to make my site.
 
speedofpain said:
I to this day have never been ask by any client or anyone wanting to be a client if i pay for a liscence. Does that answer your question about how much a issue this fucking is?

And why dont you let the client make that call thereself? besides making rules that make it for them.

I have yet to also read a review that the score nulled or not... usually its the support and things like that users want, not if you pay 15 a month.
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That's true,
But if your looking for customers from WJunction, there your wrong. On WJunction, if somebody posts a reply in a thread that your using nulled WHMCS. It turns some away. Trust me.
 
Thats fine, i understand it turns some away.. bad support turns users away.. shitty sites turns some away, a million things can turn users away. But let it be there choice, its not fair to try to make me buy something i dont need.
 
speedofpain said:
Sure it is, we take the same pride in our work and our site that anyone would no matter if you make the site or not. Took just as long to make my site as it would have to do any clients site. All but it cost me to make my site.
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Technically speaking in your case your website its not an investment.

Web design its not about pride, its about being professional and making a good profit.

Just remember
You get what you pay for
 
I'll be honest with you Eric, if you keep that same attitude your clients will be some kids or uploaders who will take their sites offline or stop paying for the hosting after like 2 months or less.

Most of us are paranoid, and everyone wants to be sure that hosting provider he is buying from is professional enough. And when I say professional enough I mean on the default stuff that one company should have. You expect that kids who will be your clients won't open 5 tickets a day? And request help for some common problems which can be solved via 1min Googling, or some server related problems? Which you can't solve because you aren't a System Administrator. What would you do if you'd had such a problem? You'd post it on StackOverflow and wait for some SysAdmin to help you?
 
In cases like yours, it is very stupid to have this rule..
It should only apply to new hosting websites..

Plus, i dont even like WHCMS, am i forced to use it when there are much beter ones out there?
Its not the other hosters fault if some people are too stupid to see and recognize suspicious noob-hosts and get scammed.
 
Jason said:
I'll be honest with you Eric, if you keep that same attitude your clients will be some kids or uploaders who will take their sites offline or stop paying for the hosting after like 2 months or less.

Most of us are paranoid, and everyone wants to be sure that hosting provider he is buying from is professional enough. And when I say professional enough I mean on the default stuff that one company should have. You expect that kids who will be your clients won't open 5 tickets a day? And request help for some common problems which can be solved via 1min Googling, or some server related problems? Which you can't solve because you aren't a System Administrator. What would you do if you'd had such a problem? You'd post it on StackOverflow and wait for some SysAdmin to help you?
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What? so paying 15 a month will help me answer support questions? because im pretty sure that everyone who does still gets stupid support questions that can be found easy on google. Like i said ive never been asked about WHMCS. i have been asked many things but not that one. If anyone here dont want to use me becouse of that im sorry but i dont see how that makes me a good or bad admin. Im sorry but when i go to a host and they dont even have a site its just some WHMCS install with the default theme to me that makes someone not look liek they know what they are doing, but see i hold that at a different place than some of you, that dont mean i want to pass a rule that everyone has to have a 5 star site to host sites.
 
Maniac_ said:
In cases like yours, it is very stupid to have this rule..
It should only apply to new hosting websites..

Plus, i dont even like WHCMS, am i forced to use it when there are much beter ones out there?
Its not the other hosters fault if some people are too stupid to see and recognize suspicious noob-hosts and get scammed.
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Thank you!

What dont you like about it maybe i can help.
 
SEO88 said:
Technically speaking in your case your website its not an investment.

Web design its not about pride, its about being professional and making a good profit.

Just remember
You get what you pay for
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So my time isnt worth anything?

And when did making somehitng to show clients not count as an investment?
 
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