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A couple of threads about (potential) scammers are closed as the mods think that WJ is not responsible.

As WJ offers a marketplace where buyers and sellers meet, I beg to differ. It is like Ebay would not be responsible for its sellers and would not be required to ban / investigate its sellers.

A simple 'the deal was made outside WJ' is IMHO not justified.
 
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If the deal was done on msn, why the hell would wJ take responsibility for it? Also, if it was something that is not allowed to be sold on wJ, then again, why the hell would wJ take responsibility for it?

You can't start banning one member because of him scamming. wJ has to played into it in a manner where the staff can be able to ban that member. The internet is not a whole when it comes to this sort of thing.
 
Your point about ebay is not 100% true. Say you meet someone on ebay and tell them hey whats your msn we can deal there faster. Then ebay would not care if that person scammed you.

If you want wj to help protect you from scammers, or actually ban them, make the deal through wj. If the item is against the rules to buy or sell then clearly something or someone might get scammed.
 
CyberMind said:
If the deal was done on msn, why the hell would wJ take responsibility for it? Also, if it was something that is not allowed to be sold on wJ, then again, why the hell would wJ take responsibility for it?

You can't start banning one member because of him scamming. wJ has to played into it in a manner where the staff can be able to ban that member. The internet is not a whole when it comes to this sort of thing.
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I agree.
 
Copied straight from the marketplace rules:

Disclaimer:
WJunction is not liable or responsible for any transaction made. We are only providing means to enable webmasters and users to trade amongst themselves. If any problem occurs, please report them and we will do the best we can to rectify it, although we're limited with what we can do.

However, as you all know, we're bound to face a few scammers here and there. So use your web smart to figure out if this is a good trade or not.
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EDIT: This basically means if the sale/trade/whatever has been done on WJ and you got scammed, just send a PM to a staff member with enough proof so we can ban the scammer, no need to make a topic about it or w/e.
 
sniffdog said:
As WJ offers a marketplace where buyers and sellers meet, I beg to differ.
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But WJ doesn't put a gun to your head and force you to buy or sell anything. I believe it's called "at your own risk". WJ is a free "service". If it was paid you'd have a valid point, but it isn't.
 
Why won't Administrators install iTrader? That's how I sold and bought many things on DP, because I always check member's iTrader first and never got scammed. Only problem is that "reputation" system will be abused, and when it comes to that, ban or warning should do it.

And then, hopefully, members won't accuse WJ or someone else for being scammed.
 
+1 Hyperz. You can be my friend and we both can send each other free iTraders or someone will make a new account and send iTraders to his old account :|
 
iTrader is not trustworthy. Their have being several threads about it with people asking for it to be installed. These people who want it obviously don't know of it's flaws or how it can be manipulated. The staff as well as some experienced members do know and that's why it isn't introduced.

As far as scammers goes Hyperz is right. Other online sites charge you for selling or buying stuff such as ebay. They take a fee and that's why they can be held responsible. WJ offers the service for free and therefore can't be held responsible.
 
iTrader is not that non trustworthy as many of you believe. Yes, it can be manipulated but not to a serious extend without staff finding out.

It's just that it's unnecessary for iTrader to be installed for such a small market.
 
goldie said:
iTraders is good idea but its all up to Admin

What admins thinks about this?
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Did you not read my reply. Here it is again.

Mr Happy said:
iTrader is not trustworthy. Their have being several threads about it with people asking for it to be installed. These people who want it obviously don't know of it's flaws or how it can be manipulated. The staff as well as some experienced members do know and that's why it isn't introduced.
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And here's what I was referring to

http://www.wjunction.com/showthread.php?t=8152

http://www.wjunction.com/showthread.php?t=19433

http://www.wjunction.com/showthread.php?t=25178

http://www.wjunction.com/showthread.php?t=24248

http://www.wjunction.com/showthread.php?t=26068

http://www.wjunction.com/showthread.php?t=29692

It's being discussed loads of times.
 
Many ways to trick the itrader. Scammers will either buy high ranking accounts with good itrader rep in order to scam of a huge deal. Or other way around, they will sell small things to get a good rep with itrader. Also i know for a fact that on ghostmarket people were selling accounts that had good rep with itrader.
 
I did said, it will be abused. That's why we have moderators and administrators who could track reputation, and one who get caught will get penalised/banned. Also setting some restrictions would be good but I don't want to get into details.
 
If the deal was made via WJ and you get scammed then we will ban the scammer.

If the deal wasn't made on WJ, eg via MSN or another website then its none of our business.
 
I don't see why WJ should have to get involved, it just gives mods more headaches having to deal with people saying "oh this person scammed me" "scammer!" blah blah.

Most deals on here are good and legit, there are just certain times where things go wrong, and unfortunately it can happen anywhere.


Most of the time deals go wrong is because 1 or the 2 parties try to scam the other person. Or it's something as dumb as, the deal is just too good to be true. So it's your own damn fault for getting into it in the first place.

For example, this whole "ultima" thing. not trying to go all into it since i don't know half the details. but it had nothing to do with WJ and people were trying to get other people banned. and then no shit you got scammed, you gave someone like 500$!

but anyways, to get back on topic, if you get scammed, then GG. get over it, try to get your money back. If you can't, then that's unfortunate, but again most likely it's your own damn fault so you deserve it.
If you're so afraid of getting scammed, or need someone to catch the scammers for you, then you might as well shut off your computer because you fail at life. (no offense to the people who were "scammed" and it really wasn't their fault).

And also, all these excuses like "my paypal was limited" blah blah. I've been using paypal for over 3 years, never got limited once! I've never got "scammed" either. So again it's your own damn fault for using a vcc or w/e or fake info, or even that you're underage!

Just my 2 cents :)
 
Please give me an example where a deal is made on WJ. When is this the case? Does it really matter if the deal is made by PM, MSN or through WHMCS? And when is the deal settled? Upon agreement, order or payment?

A member scamming a member needs a ban ....

Loget said:
If the deal was made via WJ and you get scammed then we will ban the scammer.

If the deal wasn't made on WJ, eg via MSN or another website then its none of our business.
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