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Hello All,

How are you all doing? Well i created this thread to know what measures you people (Webhosting providers from india) are taking to cover up the currency conversion hole.
As dollar is going down everyday and euro is getting expensive. Most of the providers like me are basically located in NL where we have to pay in Euros and because RBI wont let us use our paypal balance we end up with INR in our bank accounts.
So basically if a client buys in dollar, We get it in INR and we have to pay for it in Euros!
Dollar is 62 now from paypal and now matter which card you use you will be charges like 74 per Euro! which is a HUGE gap!

Any views? Suggestions? Lets help each other out!
And i want all the big providers here like Redswitches, hostDzire :)

Best Regards
ChemicalX
Im sexy!
 
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Hello,

Count me in :)

We also have same issue, before we were taking 10% transaction charges exactly for this reason.
But now we removed it, so now we have low margin.

If we could find any solution for this issue we can increase margin.

I was thinking to open bank account in abroad but someone told me i have to open office to do that.

Regards
HostDZire
 
Hello,

Count me in :)

We also have same issue, before we were taking 10% transaction charges exactly for this reason.
But now we removed it, so now we have low margin.

If we could find any solution for this issue we can increase margin.

I was thinking to open bank account in abroad but someone told me i have to open office to do that.

Regards
HostDZire

Exactly, Someone told me SBI US can help us getting an account there. Im gonna contact them first thing in the morning.
 
LMGTFY - US Company can easily be opened.

Transaction fee is the best way to minimize losses due to these issues. If your business can afford it, stop accepting PP payments altogether; there are tons of better options.
 
LMGTFY - US Company can easily be opened.

Transaction fee is the best way to minimize losses due to these issues. If your business can afford it, stop accepting PP payments altogether; there are tons of better options.

Very good idea but i believe, Paypal means business and we will lose many potential users.
 
@Rox

It's not about removing paypal.
Its about removing paypal option in your company while others have paypal.

User will not give a shit about your other payment methods and they will choose other company because they offer paypal.
 
I don't think it will be so easy.

Opening a company in USA would mean that you will have to deal with double taxation - there and here.

Plus opening a company there is also not easy. I think you need someone from there - SSN + Bank account.

You could try to open a currency account. My industrialist friend has some kind of account where he can keep his USD or EUR in it and can change it to INR when he wants it.

Well you can try opening in UK or any EU country like Latvia which would be much easier as + you can avoid double taxation by having a nominee.

Or you can just open a bank account abroad which can be used to collect all amount and pay in eur or usd but I think our government will get to know of that account so it would be better to declare that with them.

I googled and found this website:
Code:
http://tradeformation.co.uk/

They have skype so you can contact them and get ideas about what can be done.
 
Hi guys,

Something popped up, I'll keep you guys posted once i get free.
I dont find increasing the price a good option, Clients wont be happy. :p
Suggestions are welcome :)

I don't think it will be so easy.

Opening a company in USA would mean that you will have to deal with double taxation - there and here.

Plus opening a company there is also not easy. I think you need someone from there - SSN + Bank account.

You could try to open a currency account. My industrialist friend has some kind of account where he can keep his USD or EUR in it and can change it to INR when he wants it.

Well you can try opening in UK or any EU country like Latvia which would be much easier as + you can avoid double taxation by having a nominee.

Or you can just open a bank account abroad which can be used to collect all amount and pay in eur or usd but I think our government will get to know of that account so it would be better to declare that with them.

I googled and found this website:
Code:
http://tradeformation.co.uk/

They have skype so you can contact them and get ideas about what can be done.


Someone told me HOSTS in USA are tax free? Is it true?
 
Yeah, increasing price means you are kicking them out :)
Do reply if you get any solution, i hope you will not forget us or ignore us after getting solution :p
 
I am not sure what kind of hosts you are referring here but I think a person on Student Visa also has to pay taxes:
Code:
https://www.internationalstudent.com/tax/
Someone told me HOSTS in USA are tax free? Is it true?
Yep, my brother was on student VISA in US and had to pay taxes on the income he earned during his internship. The receipt was shown here in India to claim exemption.

Now he is working there and still has to pay taxes.
 
Hello Everyone,

As you guys are discussing about the currency conversion issue and the loss you are incurring during the payments made to service provider. Let me share some of my suggestions for you guys.


1) In case your business has 60-80% of PayPal transaction. You will be receiving all the funds in INR. As PayPal holds nostro accounts in Citi Bank. They have to convert the funds in INR before transfering to all Indian Merchants according to RBI regulations. Now all know this fact.

2) Now to reduce the currency conversion loss, Partial Solution is Create EEFC Bank Account, where you make sure have Dollars and Euros Account. Withdraw funds from Payza, Skrill to these account in the same currency. At the end of the month you will have atleast 40-60% funds in foreign currency in these EEFC Account.

3) Make a deal with your service provider, there will be delay of 7-8 working days for making payments. As you are restricted by Indian Government for not maintaining balance in foreign currency with PayPal which holds 60-80% of your business transaction and are forced to withdraw funds to Indian Bank accounts. Before making payments to service providers.

4) Make all the payments to service providers through EEFC Bank Accounts which has foreign currency balance, through Bankwire Transfer. Though this bit hideous work, needing some documentations to be done with certified by your CA and Bank Personals for each transaction. So plan out few transactions covering all the service providers, avoid many service providers for now.

5) Note: Any guys using debit card or credit card to make payments to your service provider. This will be closed down by Indian Government and will be restricted to above Bankwire Transfer only method to be followed.


NOW THE MAIN ISSUE

1) Many of you guys or companies do not know that they are liable for advance service tax of 15% on total import of services since 2012 "Reverse Charge Mechanism " introduced. You need to get registered with Service Tax Department from Zero Income. Not wait till 10lacs of company Income. Companies like "Resellerclub" which was in India had to shift "Dubai" where there is no taxation only yearly company license renewal fees.

2) According to "Reverse Charge Mechanism" Any service availed from Service Provider Outside Taxable Territory, Service receiver being in Taxable Territory(i.e., In India) Needs to pay advance 15% Service Tax under "Input of Services". Consider you import 1000Euros of leasing dedicated servers. You pay Service Tax 15% i.e., 150Euros for importing.

3) But you need not worry, you can get the 15% refund from service tax department. By showcasing all your exported services i.e., informing the department you have more than 90% of clients who are located outside India. And according to Service Tax law, Exporting of services is exempted. You need to make sure file for refund immediately within 1 year max after making payment towards service tax. Consult your CA for this process for detailed information.

4) For 3rd point to workout. You will loose CA Fees, Some percentage of total refund amount you need to pay officers as bribe to get it done without any hiccups. Even though your company accounts is tallied. And refund claim above 5lacs, Service Tax will conduct Tax Audit at your premise before approving refund claim.

5) In case, you don`t have large number of foreign customers. Say 40% Indian customers and 60% Foreign Customers. You collect the service tax from Indian customers, as you have paid advance service tax. So you wont be needing to pay the service tax amount you collected from Indian customers. Ask your CA to file for adjustments towards Advance Service Tax Paid. And file for refund of remaining 60% showing you have exported the services to foreign customers.

6) We have followed above procedure and we have received refund from Service Tax department without any hiccups.

6) In case you are running business on very low margin of profit and trying to hit the competitors. Without knowing above legal aspects, then you are in serious dump. As your company income increases, these government agencies will get active and start hunting down. Precaution is better then cure. As you will be penalised with hefty fines and need to pay service tax for these years of business.

7) Now in December 2016 , Indian Government became more clever to bring down companies like "Resellerclub" under their service tax laws. https://blog.resellerclub.com/service-tax-on-cross-border-online-services-in-india-explained/ . Even companies who went outside India for keeping all their company operations outside India and giving support services from India... Taking exemption of 100% for export of Support Services. All are now binded under service tax again now.:facepalm:

8) So the conclusion is that if you dont have larger margin of profit in Hosting Business or you are not backed up with big investors or VC`s. Then to covering up all the above procedure will hit business like anything.

Above all things we are able to share is because we invested around 1.5 lacs with Service Tax Experts opinion`s and these experts are well recognised by Service Tax Department. Above points are based on opinion`s we received from all service tax experts.


We share common moto "Provide Quality and Uninterrupted Hosting Services to the respective clients". If this information is new to you, better take action on your business from today without taking government agencies and laws lightly.
 
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@ScopeHosts.Sales,
I would like to thank you for this!

But after months of research I found a slightly better option. Register the company outside of India & get yourself "hired" by the company. That way you are liable to pay only tax only on the money you receive as "salary" from your main company holdings. I have yet to involve a CA in this.

Don't know whether this is right or wrong.
 
Sorry to say but the solution to these types of problems is not finding a way around conversion, fees and rates. Simply raise your prices or charge a fee for using the services that cost you more.
 
@Blaze

Any service in kind of providing support from India to your own company registered in any country is already been added in Service Tax since December2016(Example of Resellerclub) ... Again you will be liable to pay for tax or legal fees in the country where you are registered and pay tax in India as advance tax, later apply for refund .... Here you will have double expenses ... One is pay CA fees in another country and pay the same in India.

Above this all, there is again PT(Professional Tax to be Paid) In case you are taking salary or director remuneration above 20k per month. In case your company is LLP or Pvt. Ltd. Though it is small amount 200INR/mo. which is non-refundable.

That is the reason i said, always keep atleast good margin of profit, don`t try to sell with lesser margin of profit, thinking you can keep good amount when dollars or euros converted in INR. For sure you cannot keep and there are legal hurdles to cross before keeping the profits with yourself.
 
@ScopeHosts.Sales

How you guys handling service tax ?
Our client don't want to pay 15% service tax, they simply buy from different provider for this reason.
 
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