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Inb4 i get banned or tl;dr or cry more faggot but..

and Excuse me for being blunt but this is in reply to Hawk saying "slowly and steadily" moving away from warez? I don't want to create a drama topic nor do i want to start a hate thread or anything. I also understand that this site has to do something due to the focus put onto it recently. I just wanted a discussion and not to spam up a reply to the topic.

If you want to take the jump then do it don't sissy around the options. i have been here from the "early days" and this sites focus was and always has been geared towards warez webmasters and the w did stand for warezjunction there was a screen shot from years ago it was in the site title and on the site banner back when this site started off using phpbb.

The only reason this site succeeded was because it was the only place where warez webmasters could hang out and chat and recently warez uploaders. Making this site into a "legal" website will just make it another webmaster forum and there are plenty of others out there that are much more popular.

Removing the filehost section will mean capone wont get paid and a good 70% of the members still here will leave.
Removing the right to talk about any illegal activity 25% - 30% of members will leave you do the math.

Just look at the viewing stats on the filehost section for example most of the people here don't give a shit about the rest of the forum. all the good old'skool member left or got banned. I remember when St0ne said if the IQ level in this place does not rise towards the end of his stint he said he was going to close the forum, Even he knew where this place was heading back then and i wish he took the plunge and did it.

Despite all my bitching and being an arsehole recently i'm the last person who would cheer if this place was to close, But i would rather that then a slow painful death. I'm sure i'm not the only one who thinks this every time i come here the shoutbox is dead a hell and there are just pointless posts hardly any good information any more like there used to be. Shit i learned so much of what i know now because of this place and i still stuck around here even though i have gone fully legit.

Opinions go..
 
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I really don't understand why some of you state that you might be banned for an opinion that you post. That's ridiculous and I don't like it - there is a line though, which members should not cross. We appreciate opinions from our members regardless of them being a compliment or even criticizing what we do.

I can understand what you are saying but what the administration wanted to do is to move away from the whole "warez" tag it has on this site. That's why we are doing everything slowly. We could, if we wanted to, remove all the file host sections etc in one go, but that would essentially be killing the site.

I appreciate members that have learnt a lot from WJunction are coming back and helping other members to become better webmasters. The chatbox maybe inactive, but the forum itself is very active. We only had a slight downfall of posts/threads (if compared to 2011 stats).

I, along with other staff (except the owners) are here to ensure that WJunction is a welcoming and a pleasant place for everyone that visits (regardless of how long their stay is). The owners however, make the major decisions on what they'd like to do, where they want the forum to go etc. We just implement and follow them.

Thanks.
 
So when is Capone going to make a "statement" about the alleged controversy circling his involvement with nefarious sites sir ? If I read the title correctly, this is a venting thread. No moderation needed for this reply ;)
 
His involvement in sites, regardless of what they are related to - has nothing to do with us. What anyone of you do, has nothing to do with us. So, how his involvement in some sites would make you suffer is beyond me. An announcement was already made, he posted he was not related to anything that people accused him of. He may own major sites in the porn industry, but that does not change anything.
 
Well then...

I'm ancient, as you know, breaking out of some spider webs to post this in the deepest darkest corners of WJ, untouched for eons.

So yeah, true, the name did once mean that. But things change, under the current ownership, WJ has never been directly aimed at warez audiences and never will be. When someone takes over a forum, they don't always continue as the previous owners did, they make changes.
In this case, the current owners do not want a warez forum, they want a "hangout" for webmasters (and due to the section you mentioned, uploaders and affiliates). While it may be true that attempting to reduce warez "chatter" could slightly affect the audience we cater for, it is what any other legitimate forum would do. Additionally, the people in question will quite easily be replaced with newcomers who don't have such strong ties to piracy.

Anyway, I could talk for hours but I don't really have the patience right now. The point (clearly) is, WJ has changed, it changed as soon as the pirates who originally ran it, sold it to someone more legitimate.

P.S. your post never really asks a question, there seems to be a lack of any "ultimate" point. Can you try be more precise in future, more "to the point" as you might say.

Oh, as for anyone believing the dribble coming out of the mouths of the less intelligent people on the 'net, you need to find something better to spend your time on. Capone is a webmaster like many of us here, he runs websites to make a living for himself.
 
So it doesn't change your view on who you "work" for. Interesting... Also I never implied I was suffering, just curious.
 
I know who I work for, and if the accusations were true, you wouldn't see me as an administrator. I trust Capone and have good faith in him. He can never do what people wrongly accuse him of. It seems you guys are not seeing the point behind their accusations, they are trying to destroy his websites. Their motivates are not good.
 
I don't work for anyone, Rick. I am here by my own choice, I do not get paid and I choose what I do and when I do it.

I have no interest in spending my energy on reading such minimalistic responses with little relevance to anything.
I have said what I have to say, read it and move on, my energy is needed elsewhere currently.

I am incredibly busy trying to find where to buy a pecan pie. Since I really don't want to make one.
 
Basically my point was why not take just the leap of faith and leave it to the members to decided what they want to do. If you want to make a statement that you are going legit then do it in one go doing it slowly will just cause confusion and might not get the point across. Sorry if i did not make that clear ^^. People are already starting to get confused. More and more people are joining expecting this place to be what they think it is.

First off i never wanted to criticize the active admin's or anything i think all of you are doing a stand up job and if it were not for you running this place it would have died in an instant considering the owners could not give a toss.

And also this thread was never to talk about Capone most of us are aware of his ventures, But at the end of a day like JmZ said we all need to earn our bread and we cant really criticize him considering him most of us have ventured into warez. Even wd has pulled out on his quest for him i think we should just let that settle its self.
 
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Alright. Just for the record I'm NOT imposing that I agree with the accusations towards Capone. (Not that you said I am but I do have my doubts) I believe I can trust you morally, hope I'm right. I wasn't aware Capone made a statement in all honesty. Must have been offline for that and forgot to catch up. On the whole legitimizing WJ from warezjunction to webmasterjunction, I think its kind of tacky and for members who have been here for the long haul, it's admittingly pretty ridiculous to change the brand or roots of something designed for people like us. I know the pressures of anti-piracy organizations have impacted the scene as we know it and it was somewhat necessary to reform WJ rules and change it's entity. I still think not being able to share accounts amongst each other, or link someone to a streaming movie, or a download is pretty reprehensible at times. ..........
 
If you're still involved in warez webmastering since you joined WJ, you need to grow up and move on, do something more legitimate and productive, honestly.

I left that many years ago, as did most of the webmasters from back then. So in actual fact, increasing the legitimacy has followed the path of the old members.
 
Nope, I just know when to quit and put my knowledge to better use in more legitimate niches.

I recommend it, it pays very well and will lead to a good success for the remainder of your life.
 
Point being like it applies in life... "Be true to yourself and never forget where you came from" That should be more important to our old members. Recognizing where it all started from. No one is condoning the continuance of warez or piracy for that matter. What I was implying is that some moderators take it too far at times. People share things over live chat all over the internet without being paranoid of "Big Brother" watching all the time. -.- Speaking for myself I don't own, operate, or plan to build sites geared up for warez or downloading. I've moved on years ago. As some people who know me very well as you should seeing you are an old member, I haven't owned a warez website since the el_j days. So I've clearly moved on sir, thank you for pointing that out.
 
@shadow.prx, because members are not the ones who OWN the place, they USE the place. Just like you can shape river to stream in direction you desire, it can be done with forum, pointing users in proper direction.

To be honest, all this fuss is about me starting to close topics that are direct confirmation that someone is involved in warez. So, lemme write 2 words on that note.

Before I was promoted, I saw that owners/administration made announcement that this forum will go forward to back off from warez. I liked it, I liked the idea. When I got mods position, I got the power to start making changes that you are seeing. And I am getting support from administration. It's not MY quest, but I see it as a good thing, and I am helping those poor souls, who stuck in uploading pirated content ONLY for money, to find ways to make legitimate money online, to switch from bad, to good thing. 99% of all money transactions in the world is in electronic form. That's HUGE. That means there's something for everyone on this board.
It's a good cause, and I feel we should be supported on this, instead being criticized, how we don't want to do illegal things.
This is the bare reason why I am staff.
For those who think it's not doable, well, stay tuned. It might take time, but it's not just doable, it can be better than it was/is.

@Rick :|
 
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Right to be fair even i'm lost as to what's going on thanks cvrle77 to make my point clear:

You guys want to go legit to make a point ? Then do it.
Doing it slowly is just going to cause mass confusion and wont get the point across.
Doing it slowly wont show that you guys are dedicated to making a change to clean this place up.
 
No, doing it in one swift would wipe out traffic.
Wipe=suicide
This is more then just a change. We want to educate people, where the real, legitimate money on the internet is. They need to accept it willingly. To understand why something bad is bad, and why something good is good. To figure difference by themselves. We are here just to move the stream into proper direction. And this is very good reaction actually. Someone noticed changes, that took place.

Also, there's number of webmasters who already 'transferred' from warez to legit webmasters.
Won't mention their names here, but, it's noticeable.

It is still not in rules, because, if it is, we would need to infract/ban people, which is not the goal we want. So, for now, we'll close the topic, if inappropriate, give explanation, and even advice.
 
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That's an awfully big task that you are willing to take on though.
So you want to educate everyone even people who register today tomorrow the day after that ect.. till you finally do it ? That would be an endless task.
Doing it in one fell swoop you can educate everyone even the new people who register and let the members decided what they want to do. Or at least do it in larger chunks and i only noticed as people are starting to get confused. Hence the topic.
 
I'm fully aware, that it's a big task, but not impossible.
For education, we have tutorial section, Help and technical section, that are there for years, we have everything that is webmaster related, with tons of content.

Regarding one swoop, I already answered why it's not doable. You don't start a race from finish line.
 
This is an interesting topic.

I mean yes, we all know the Scene has changed. It's not 2004 - 2009 anymore. I mean look at my sig. It still says 5 star on Katz. I was so proud of that. The time of not just "Warez" forums, but forums in general has died down. People have taken AIM/MSN and have traded it in for Facebook Chat. They've taken games and have traded it for "Words with Friends."

Technology is changing. The internet is changing. WJunction has to change as well (to keep itself alive). I do agree with JmZ though. If you treat WJ like a company, then off course you have to do slow roll-outs. Big companies don't just make drastic changes without testing and experimenting.

The user base that this forum was based on was definitely the one of the Warez Community. That's the biggest hurdle that WJunction has to face, and I am rooting for you guys to be successful in all that you set out to do

A lot of us have changed.

I also was part of the "old school." My user ID is 72. I registered here a long time ago, along with El_J, stone, etc... Back when we only had around 500 people, I also was in the top 5 for posts. It was a blast helping people and getting help in return. WJ was always about bettering yourself as a webmaster, and learning from others. I too, used to have warez sites. I haven't actively run one since 2010. It's about to be 2013.

My time here was definitely great experience and fun. I miss talking with all of you.

I wish I've kept in contact with most of you better than I had in the past. I still lurk here from time to time to see if I recognize anyone else, but it's for the most part new faces.

WJunction will be fine.
 
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