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What I want to know is, how come every single new warez site that I see, asking for reviews just installs a bulletin board/blog, throws on a public skin, sometimes even a custom skin, and lobs in a Katz button?

Why don't they work hard to earn their traffic? I think Katz should have a rule, that when you have been submitting to them for 1/2 years, you can't submit again. It is so simple to submit to Katz, and get the traffic from their. Why don't webmasters try to get some traffic themselves? W-BB have done it, Katz have done it and WS have done it themselves. As an appreciation to Katz, I think it would be nice to see sites not always submitting to Katz, but maybe putting a Katz button up, just to show how greatful they are.

I am not saying, do not submit, all I am saying is, why does everyone create a site, and rely on Katz traffic?

This is not a bashing thread, just want to know really. (y)
 
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to make a thread like this is easy but when you run a site like warez is hard

we all need katz with out katz is gone a be super hard

and you have to spend lots of money to adv your site and right now its free beacuse of katz

katz can ask form webmaster money to submit to there ddl.

if katz ask for money there is chance for other ddl to grow and katz well loose there rank and am sure katz wont like that.
 
I do understand your view mate, what I am saying is why can't you just work a bit harder to get your site to the top? Like I said, I know how hard it is, and how much work it takes.

This is still not a bashing thread. :P
 
What you say is indeed correct, I would submit to Katz, BUT I would also not create a site in which I couldn't afford to pay to get to the top as well. I am not bashing the small sites, if anything they are the ones who I think should be submitting to Katz, over the big, well-established sites. I just think, why create a site, that you can't afford to pay to get to the top?

Still not bashing. lol
 
You know what!! I agree to be very honest! I think that there is too much Katz submitting. My brother himself relies on Katz for the members, I think they should work a bit more harder because I am joined on my brothers forum! And half the members (which have come from Katz) are inactive alot.

Good topic mate.

No bashing :)
 
katz is a good booster. WS started on katz, and now their on their own.

I as well, want to leave katz someday, but thats only after I create a good base traffic with good base members logging in everyday.

It def is hard, but people must concentrate on organic traffic (from google, etc..) rather than katz. Katz won't hurt, but they shoot your bounce rate/hollow traffic through the roof.

But running warez sites, what do you expect? lol

Nice topic.
 
That is what I mean GF, it is ok to start up with Katz, to help you get your traffic, but ultimately, the sites that rely on Katz for more than a few years, will inevitably, go under.

When you say it is hard, yes that is true, but what is better than seeing that your site has got 1000 members, all on your own? I would much rather get a good member base, members who continue coming back, as opposed to a few thousand uniques a day, from people who won't come back.

Also, why not submit to the smaller DDLs instead? Everyone mentions how hard it is to get traffic in, why not do the smaller DDLs a favour as well? Help each other is what I say, and most sites that submit to Katz, don't give Katz anywhere near the traffic that Katz gives them, so how is that fair?

Sites who want to link back, just as a warrant of their appreciation to them, like WS usd to do, and Katz used to do to W-BB. I just think it is:

1) Unfair on Katz, due to the fact that they send out a LOT of traffic to these sites, but get hardly any from them in return.

2) Unfair on smaller DDL sites that are just starting, they want some traffic too.

3) Too easy for warez webmasters to submit their 40 links a day, and get a few thousand hits.

:)
 
Due to the large amount of warez sites out there today, it's not easy to spread the word around like back in the past (IE: WBB, Katz), I'm not saying they didn't work hard, but it would involve a lot of intense promotion to do it now, people would have to spread their uploads, and that would be to popular boards which direct a little amount of traffic. Katz offer a great deal in my honest opinion, you give them a good space in your site and you get a lot of traffic, obviously Katz doesn't do it only for traffic, but also to help out other webmasters grow their website in a easier way, I've no idea where SceneRLS would be without Katz (ftw).

But, yeah, some sites just do get enough traffic, like the sites you said that submit for over a year, and almost even two, but them submitting on Katz is also good for Katz, more people recommend them all over the scene, and it brings a lot of back traffic to Katz (not as much as Katz probably gave them, but something is always better than nothing), the more the traffic there is to Katz, the more the smaller webmasters/warez sites benefit.

2) Unfair on smaller DDL sites that are just starting, they want some traffic too.
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A DDL site should always have something for a webmaster to submit to it, Katz fading away wouldn't solve the problem, Katz has it's amount of traffic, a newer DDL site I'd like to point out is LiteWarez, their webmaster user interface is very well coded and makes things so much easier for a webmaster, I hope you get my point here. I don't want to say that other DDL sites are shit, I'm just looking at it differently, I hope you understand my point.

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4tw, I understand what you are saying completely. I agree with you to an extent. What you said about it not being as easy as the past, that is true, but also on the other hand, the big sites have kept their traffic going, and kept their sites up their with the best. W-BB, Katz etc, have earned their spot, and where they are, they are always improving, whether it be the front-end, where it is obvious of the changes or be it back-end, where the end user can't notice any change.

I just think that webmasters should just do a bit more work, put a bit more money into their sites to improve them, because if they don't, it will get to the point where we have thousands of warez sites, with the same content, and if 90% of them sites are getting their traffic from Katz, then why would users not just choose to search on Katz, get their download, and leave the site where the download is situated. It would be far simpler for the downloader in that respect.

Obviously for the uploader, it does make it a bit more difficult to get more downloads, advertise using their URL etc, but at the end of the day, isn't warez all about sharing? So, even if 1 person downloads your file, that means you have helped that 1 person out. To me that is what this is about, sharing.

Your point about LiteWarez; I have seen it, and to be honest I can't see why that site shouldn't be up their with Katz. Every single day I see what LiteWarez does on his site, it is something different, something that is a surprise. That to me should be the DDL that people should start submitting to, help LiteWarez out, and get it to the top, with Katz. :P
 
You also have to consider the uploaders that upload to your site.

Most of them want their files to be downloaded for money/points.

If you take katz off, there goes all their points/money, and they won't come back to your site to post, unless they just really like your site.
 
That is my whole point GF, when did uploading/sharing become about how much you can earn? If you have got uploaders that only do it for money, they are really not that great.

Look at RT, he uploads for the love of sharing, yeah I am sure he makes some extra pocket money, but if he didn't get paid, he would still be uploading, because he enjoys doing it.

I understand what you are saying though GF. :P
 
Danny1986 said:
What I want to know is, how come every single new warez site that I see, asking for reviews just installs a bulletin board/blog, throws on a public skin, sometimes even a custom skin, and lobs in a Katz button?
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Agreed, but there's nothing we can do to stop new webmasters from doing that. Let them learn from their own mistakes.

Danny1986 said:
Why don't they work hard to earn their traffic? W-BB have done it, Katz have done it and WS have done it themselves.
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Katz is a beast.
Warez-BB is a beast.
WarezScene was banned from katz - that's why they don't submit any more.

Danny1986 said:
I am not saying, do not submit, all I am saying is, why does everyone create a site, and rely on Katz traffic?

This is not a bashing thread, just want to know really. (y)
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sites which rely solely on katz traffic will fail. its good that you're advising new webmasters not to do this but sometimes they need to learn things for themselves by failing miserably and starting again with some more experience.

Danny1986 said:
but if he didn't get paid, he would still be uploading, because he enjoys doing it.
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oh, i'm not too sure about that. 8-)
 
This is how warez is evolving, you cannot stop it. In a purely mechanical world, we are seeing nature, at its best. Instead of trying to convert others, live true to what you are preaching. Take the reigns and lets see you act rather than complain.
 
Fighter, when did you hear me complain? I am just very curious as to why everyone does this.

Oh, and by the way, I do not submit to Katz, and have a very nice site thank you, I have no need for Katz, and vice versa, if I did then I would make sure I had something to offer them, as opposed to it all being one way. (y)

Anyway, this isn't meant to be a bashing thread.
 
I agree. I indeed used Katz to start up and get going, but haven't really submitted anything since December of 2009.

You shouldn't rely on Katz to generate traffic and such for your site and expect it to just blow up and become the next big thing. To gain member traffic and support, you need to work hard (as GF said) and be different. Using Katz only generates views, no real members.

You ever go to a site with 15,000 - 30,000 members and see something like:

Online: 981 guests and 5 members

To me, this is WORTHLESS. Those guests will prolly never find your forum again or even view it, unless they like it as GF said and wish to come back.

I have 9,000 members and have a HUGE active member base. Instead of worrying about Katz and guest traffic/page views, focus on getting ACTIVE MEMBERS. Getting members to come back over and over is the hardest part. If you have a strong active community base to start with, you will be good.

Once you have this and people see the forum is active and can chat from time to time, they may come back. Why would they come back to a forum with nothing but guests and a small amount of members who barely post?

Ever go to a warez forum and look at the general/other sections? Most of the time there dead. All the traffic is guests using your forum to DL, they have no intension on becoming active.

I will tell you for sure that tossing hundreds of free accounts daily boosted my traffic so much. This is a key feature of being unique and offering something other forums don't, for FREE. Other sites have a free account section but they focus more on VIP accounts instead of free accounts. How do you expect to get VIP members when they see your free account section barely populated?
 
You offer Katz content, which in turn generates traffic. It is not purely Katz standing alone holding everyone in the palm of their hand. They got to the place they are with us, and their cunning attitude and dedication. :D

Why?
By submitting to Katz webmasters are able to generate traffic, depending on your rank, you could be getting quite the amount of hits per day.

In addition, links submitted to Katz have a higher longevity than links posted from forum to forum. Which means uploaders have the best chance of generating the most amount of points possible per upload.
 
Danny1986 said:
That is my whole point GF, when did uploading/sharing become about how much you can earn? If you have got uploaders that only do it for money, they are really not that great.

Look at RT, he uploads for the love of sharing, yeah I am sure he makes some extra pocket money, but if he didn't get paid, he would still be uploading, because he enjoys doing it.

I understand what you are saying though GF. :P
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I agree, that is how I upload as well. Just because of the love of sharing. <3
 
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